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I am in an odd place right now, psychologically. I know that everyone has an inner dialog that speaks to us, both positively and negatively (more often the latter) -- and this voice (or these voices) drive us emotionally. For example, if my inner voice is saying, "You are a loser," chances are, I am going to be feeling pretty bad. Early on in therapy, I learned that the inner dialog has a lot of power and it is through the control and manipulation of the negative voice(es) that we find our inner strength. So, instead of allowing the voice to get away with telling me that I'm a loser, I can question it and bring forward more positive thoughts such as, "I feel disappointed that I could not succeed in this specific experience, but I learned a lot. I am a very hard worker and I will do better the next time." I had a friend that would walk a mile every day repeating, "I am lovable" over and over again because she wanted to replace her negative thoughts with a more powerful, positive expression. The New Age teacher, Louise Hay, even goes so far as to suggest that our inner dialog determines our physical health (if you are interested, read "You Can Heal Your Life") and believes that mantras are as necessary as physical exercise.

Okay, so all or most of this is pretty familiar, no? I want to be very clear here, I understand that this inner voice is MY voice, and I can control it the same way that I can control the movement of my body. Sometimes, an unconscious action, like shaking my knee or tapping my fingers seems a difficult thing to control but these actions can be brought into my conscious awareness through the same determination I apply to changing my inner dialog.

A few months ago, while journaling after a session (and in a pretty mellow state), I began asking myself questions -- just like I was continuing the session in my head. I answered myself as honestly as possible and tried to pursue the apparent loose ends -- successfully, I thought. Then, a new voice complete with an almost automatic ability to type (flawlessly, I might add), asked a question. I was surprised but went with it, letting this new voice ask question after question, and reveal insights that I didn't know existed. I felt comforted when the voice went away, and very confused. Not very long after, I worried that I was cracked. Everyday I'd sort of wait for the voice to appear but she (definitely a she) wouldn't come when called. The thing is, unlike an inner voice, this one said things that I didn't know, or hadn't thought of. It seems to exist independent of me. I printed out our first discussion and took it to my next session and my T said that it was awesome -- and notably did not agree that I was now, certifiably insane. This voice is so on-target, I wondered if I was channeling an outside spirit but this is something I really don't believe in, and frankly, this voice is too familiar with me to be an outsider. I know that the voice is a part of me but she's wise, cautious, compassionate, and practical -- attributes I do not have to any great degree (I am rather silly, flaky, impulsive, and overemotional). Somehow I split off and I'm now finding this part of myself again.

Okay, so here's my problem -- I want to connect! My T brought up a VERY good point regarding this dissociation -- the merging might not be an action, it might be more like, well, "being." This is all very zen and makes sense -- I'm completely down with passive energy -- but this voice and I are still seeing things from very different perspectives (after a recent "angry session", she actually said some very brutally honest things that didn't feel good to hear at all) and I'm not sure how to fall into step. In addition, the voice has been a soothing figure -- lately, she's been better at encouraging me than my T. As lame as this might sound, I sort of want her to say in this role -- an outside "savior" -- because I'm afraid she'll disappear again within the storm of my insides.

I asked the voice how we might merge and she said that it's up to me to let her in. I'm lost -- how does one go about "letting in" a foreign/familiar voice????? Question -- can anyone relate to my insane experience, or has anyone been beyond this point? I'm willing to take in theories as well -- anything for new perspectives.
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QG,
I didn't have as extreme of an experience as you, but, I've recently come in touch with a very mature, wise, accepting part of me. I think it's my adult. I've been an adult child ever since I've been an adult. I've never known how to grow up, but I think I'm learning now. I was doing exercise, journaling a discussion between the different parts of me. There are a lot of those negative voices in my head. So, they were doing their thing. Then, there was this mature voice all of a sudden. It actually sounded a lot like my therapist. She wanted to take care of the vulnerable part of me. I wasn't ready for it yet. I pushed her away. But, I think she is slowly integrating into my life through all of my work with my T, whether I like it or not.

I don't have any advice for you, except that maybe, through time, as you keep working on your stuff, this part of you will come out more often. I think it has something to do with accepting all of you, but I'm not sure.
I am about where you are with this voice crap too QG. I call it crap in reference to my own struggle. I am not calling yours crap. Just to clarify. Sometimes the voices go away for a long time only to return obsessively. My old T who I can't stand, told me that they are not obsessive thinking. That OCD presents differently than that. I wonder what the hell it is. Do you know?

I have a voice that only berates me. Then I have what I call an automaton. She has no inflection whatsoever to her voice. She is always factual and flat. What an effing joy. Then I have a voice that is wise too. Always says the wise thing. I think sometimes that I am just being creative but I am not sure. Once that automaton followed me everywhere. I swear to god I'd be shopping and I would incessently hear her say things like "Your father beat you" I would want to scream not from the message but from the frequency of it. I thought it was OCD at that time. My crappy old T said it was not OCD but something else. Who the hell knows. I had a friend with MPD (DID I believe it's called now) I know I don't have what she had. It would be a very difficult disorder to fake. I mean it was involved and complex. She did things like had a blood alcohol level of .6 but yet walked around like she had never drank. The hospital kept taking her blood over and over again because they could not believe it. I think it was her alter egos taking over. It was phenomenal. I pretty much know I don't suffer from what she did. But I do think that we all have parts inside of us that fragment off especially with a difficult past.
Hi QG....
I think I may have some understanding of what you are talking about here...so I thought I'd jump in. But I'm jumping into some deeeep waters. I hope it makes some sense and has some application to your inquiry. hmmmm.

We all come into the world with our spirits and personalities annealed/alloyed together. An essence... and a birth personality. In some cases of severe trauma the personality is split, becoming an birth personality, original personality and an essence. The essence (in savior role) becomes what is termed an ISH or "inner self helper." Many theorists believe that the emotional self, BP-birth personality is split off from the intellectual self, OP-original personality. The emotional self, BP, is sequestered by the ISH and an alter (or false front, the intellectual self, OP) is constructed by the ISH to placate the abuser to take up the responsibilities of daily living.

From here...it really depends on what your personal belief systems are and how you define your own experience.

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Originally posted by QueenGrey: The thing is, unlike an inner voice, this one said things that I didn't know, or hadn't thought of. It seems to exist independent of me. I printed out our first discussion and took it to my next session and my T said that it was awesome -- and notably did not agree that I was now, certifiably insane. This voice is so on-target, I wondered if I was channeling an outside spirit but this is something I really don't believe in, and frankly, this voice is too familiar with me to be an outsider. I know that the voice is a part of me but she's wise, cautious, compassionate, and practical -- attributes I do not have to any great degree (I am rather silly, flaky, impulsive, and overemotional). Somehow I split off and I'm now finding this part of myself again.


Some believe that this is a manifestation of the ISH as Celestial Intelligent Energy and that they have the ability to shift through physical space (the material world) and thought space (the non-material world.) Many people believe this ISH to be an entity, angel, totemic animal, alien, call it what you will. It is an other worldly presence, that is thought to have contact with the "collective unconscious," "over-soul" or Akashic records.
This voice is often said to be "channeled" in the new age literature...but it has been experienced throughout all cultures and mythologies for ages.
It is very rational and often exhibits insights and knowledge otherwise unknown to any other part of the original personality. The ISH is that part of the individual's consciousness that is free from emotion but retains the memory and historic timeline of the birth personality. It is not neurotic. It is pure thought and uses good judgment....and if situations are ideal will make a powerful alliance with the therapist.

And........this is probably much more than you wanted to know....eh? Roll Eyes Wink

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I asked the voice how we might merge and she said that it's up to me to let her in. I'm lost -- how does one go about "letting in" a foreign/familiar voice????? Question -- can anyone relate to my insane experience, or has anyone been beyond this point? I'm willing to take in theories as well -- anything for new perspectives.



ummm....LOL....yes...I can relate. I don't believe you're insane, but after posting this answer...I'm sure many folks out there will be Roll Eyes Eeker at me!!!
The only advice I can give you about "letting in" your ISH is to listen to her, and follow her advice for you. Let her into your life without judgment or preconceptions. If she is your true voice she will speak through you.

There are a few techniques that help to contact your ISH. You might consider a structured meditation practice, hypnosis, sweat lodge,....or if you have an isolation tank at your disposal....well...that experience can be invaluable.

SD...
Jo
I think that it's hilarious that you've named your voices (I'm laughing with you, not at you) -- I should provide my voice with a good name too. I'm not sure if what I'm experiencing is true dissociation in the sense that I disappear and another personality steps up leaving me with no memory of a specific span of time. I'm definitely there.

Soulfuldaze --
Wow -- you did leave me a lot to ponder. Can you provide any specific readings I could go to for more details?
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The ISH is that part of the individual's consciousness that is free from emotion but retains the memory and historic timeline of the birth personality. It is not neurotic. It is pure thought and uses good judgment....and if situations are ideal will make a powerful alliance with the therapist.

This is interesting, because the voice will, more often then not, agree with my T, or force me to reconsider my behavior or reactions to him when in session.

Are you in connection with your ISH?
Hi QG...

Sorry about that...I know it was a bit much. The links and associations I have are all related to DID/MPD but I believe they apply to almost everyone. Most people identify their ISH as their conscience, or moral compass.

I personally only have sporadic contact with my ISH...but there are other people around me who have spoken with her. And she does leave me little notes sometimes. Usually in the form of a metaphor, analogy or riddle that I have to solve to understand. They are often very similar to Zen Koans. *chuckling* It's enough to drive me nuts...sometimes.

I am still uncertain how to conceptualize my ISH...but I hope to know it all...someday...lmao Roll Eyes Wink Razzer

Anyway...here are some of my links...
SD


Dissociative Identity Disorder

The Inner Self Helper Concepts

Angel or Artifact?

Allisonian ISH
Jo and QG,

I've named my voices, too. I have Little One, Tough Girl, Hater, Fighter, and more. My therapist sometimes uses this therapy she calls parts therapy that looks at all of the different parts of me. I've made a major breakthrough in this recently. Today, I was with my T, and she was talking about how she's seen the other parts less and the Little One more lately. The other parts are defenses, defending Little One from getting hurt. Little One is the needy one. It feels the depth of my pain and fears of abandonment. Anyway, she said that we're getting to the deepest parts of me now, and we're getting to the deepest of my core issues. Yay! Maybe all of this work is going to be worth it in the end. It was doing a parts therapy activity that I heard my adult. It was so strange to hear this voice. You might look up parts therapy on the internet, or see if your T knows anything about it. BTW, on the net, they talk about hypnosis. I don't do this, and my T has never suggested it. (She has asked me multiple times to do EMDR, but I refuse. I'm too embarrassed to do anything out of the ordinary.)

SD,
Interesting insight. I'm going to checkout some of those websites that you recommended.

catgirl
QG,
EMDR stands for Eye Movement Desensitization something. It's a technique that's used to help people deal with post traumatic stress disorder. My T says that I show some signs of ptsd, probably due to being molested when I was a child. When she first mentioned EMDR, I did some research on it, but I don't remember that much, and it is somewhat involved. It involves rapid eye movement, caused by a clicking sound, or clapping, and looking at one's views on the incident in a different way. You're probably better off looking online or someone else will come along that knows more about it.

I don't like weird eye moving things (though I know everyone doesn't think it's weird, and that's okay, I'm not proclaiming it "weird" it's just weird to me.) or hypnosis. I'm okay talking, sometimes, as long as I get to cover my head Smiler.

catgirl
Hi Queen Gray,

I don't think what you're experiencing is strange at all. here comes my take on it for all it's worth, not backed up by anything save my experience and various folk (including my t) not batting an eyelid.

I find my inner bits and pieces come in 2 varieties: There are the 'disembodied voices', the ones nagging, blaming, being horrible. Then there are others that have almost a physical location and don't talk but give me images. Of those I am aware of a few, some are older versions of myself. Some actual parts of my body and give me information about my health. Sometimes they begin there life in my awareness as animals. And they have names, not all a conscious choice. My most recent discovery I have called 'ghost of a boy, frequently beaten'. And he whizzes kind of through me, trying to avoid the blow. This, I think, is the boy that my dad/parents always wanted but never had, and when some un-ladylike behaviour emerged from the girl child that wasn't quite right either.

With that in mind, I think you just discovered a part of yourself that you could never hear before as you never saw yourself as having those qualities she has - you have! Now that you've heard, she won't go away again. She might not have anything to say all the time, so you might experience as her not being there. You might be listening to your more negative voices again, but don't worry. She's part of you, she's there.

What really helps me is discovering physical sensations / locations associated with these voices. Concentrating on those gives me a sense of their presence.

Now I'm the one sounding weird...

SB
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I think you just discovered a part of yourself that you could never hear before as you never saw yourself as having those qualities she has - you have! Now that you've heard, she won't go away again.


SB -- I hope so! Ever since I posted this, the voice has been silent. I can't tease her out no matter how hard I try. I guess I am still pretty low.
Hi QG, and everyone Smiler

Great topic! I thought I was insane and would never have told anyone (especially my P) about it incase they locked me up Eeker I'm glad to see that there are others that have such strong inner voices and that I'm not alone. Mine are very much like yours Jo, but remain nameless .. other than annoying Smiler

SD your post was awesome and informative. You sure seem to have a solid understanding of ISH, thanks for sharing your knowledge. I'll be sure to look at the sites you provided to QG as well, it sounds quite interesting.

I think that I need to find a T instead of my P. T's sound so much more interactive and less rigid with offering support and insight than P's that just let you talk.

Have a good one peeps!

Holly
I went to a P and HATED it. I'm not kidding, I was given a whole 30 minutes to sheepishly talk sitting in this enormous leather chair in an enormous office about a mile away from the guy. Then, he nicely said that I needed to go outside more for vitamin D, "walk your dog or something" and he handed me a prescription. I was like, "That's it???" and he sweetly said that I'd need to come back in a month. Considering the cost, I figured that would be okay, so a month later I returned and was sent to his PA who just asked me how the prescription was working before writing another and sending me on my way. GRRRRRRR!!!
Hi QG

That sounds like a pretty bad/frustrating experience you had with a P, I don't think I would have gone back after the first session. My aunt sees one that is very similar and I keep telling her to find another one.

I was quite happy when mine said that she leaves the prescribing of meds up to my personal doctor which told me right away she wasn't a pill pusher (my GP is pretty stinjy with the prescriptions too) .. I appreciated that big time as I'm not interested in being medicated.

I can't imagine a 30 minute session either .. omg, sometimes it takes me 20 minutes before I muster the confidence to talk to her about things as simple as how my week went! (I know you wouldn't think that I had an issue with confidence and talking based on how outspoken I have been in here lately Smiler) LOL

My P is just rigid in the sense that she ONLY offers talk/insight therapy which for me makes it difficult .. not being a talker and all. But hearing about the interaction you all have with Therapists, I've started to look for one. I think I'll keep the P because I like her a lot(it's that darn transference thing) and she's free Big Grin But I do need to work with someone who is going to ask questions and lead me to things that I don't see for myself.

Have a super day/evening

Holly
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QueenGrey,
Yes I can relate very well to this, and my T had the same reaction- "awesome"
Let me teel you a bit about myself first. ---
I am a Christian, and after doing my morning reading, prayer, meditation- I sit with my journal on my lap- with specific spiritual questions in mind (sometimes I write them in my journal) After praying for clarity, I begin to write. The results oftentimes are revealing. When I ask where this information is coming from- the answer is- "I am the one you call the listening Heart- the part of you that searches for truth... I am you.
Weird huh. Is it disaccociating? IDK. Maybe I should ask my T. G.ood luck with your journey

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